Sunday, August 8, 2010

Beck and Stossel imagine rosy world of private military contractors with no civilian deaths

Beck and Stossel imagine rosy world of private military contractors with no civilian deaths | Media Matters for America

Glenn Beck hosted staunchly libertarian Fox Business host John Stossel to discuss the idea of using private contractors to wage war instead of military personnel. From the August 5 edition of The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: What is the closest you came to saying, well, maybe the government should do this?

STOSSEL: Well, I always assumed that fighting wars was a job for government. You didn't want to trust that to a profit-seeking enterprise. But, you know, you've sort of moved my head about that a bit and that if you have a bunch of private contractors like Blackwater going to work and they do it so much more efficiently - the CBO says that it takes three government workers to replace one Halliburton worker, that, you know, maybe they would fight wars better, and if we didn't like what they were doing we could fire them. You can't fire the government, but contractors compete.

BECK: It would be great to say that these guys are private contractors and the war is dragging on, the war is dragging on and being able to have the president say we're getting a new contractor. Because they'll finish the job. They'll finish the job. And you can also hold them responsible for everything. The problem with government is you can never actually hold these people responsible for everything.

STOSSEL: And people will say, "Are you kidding me? A private, for-profit company fighting a war? They'll just kill all sorts of civilians." But they don't think ahead to the fact that this company wants to be hired again by some other country.

BECK: It's exactly right. It's like planes. The only really horribly irresponsible companies say you know we're going to chintz on the repair on the airliner because once one goes down and you've been caught chintzing on it, sure you lose 200 people which is a horrible, horrible tragedy, but the company knows you lose 200 people it's over. We're all out of business and if we really do something wrong we're going to jail.

In their enthusiasm for the idea that the free market would keep contractors from killing civilians, both Stossel and Beck ignored that defense contractor Blackwater (now rebranded Xe) did kill civilians in Iraq.

In 2007, Blackwater employees killed 17 unarmed Iraqi civilians and wounded at least 20 others when, reportedly unprovoked, the security guards opened fire in a public square in Baghdad. Although the Iraqi government called the shootings "deliberate murder" and five Blackwater employees were charged with manslaughter in the U.S., the charges against all five were dropped because of problems with the case.

Not only was Blackwater not held accountable under the law, but the company remains the State Department's largest security contractor, and as late as April 2009 it continued to operate in Iraq.

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  • Author by txthinker (August 05, 2010 3:55 pm ET)
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    Let's send Beck and Stossel to the front line.
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  • Author by peace4all (August 05, 2010 3:59 pm ET)
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    what idiots. every great military mind in history has warned against using mercenary's to fight a country's wars. but it makes sense that these two don't know that. maybe if they would pick up a real history book instead of a right wing revised edition they would learn something from the reality based world.
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  • Author by neon desert (August 05, 2010 4:02 pm ET)
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    From an October 2007 article in the WashPo:
    According to data provided to the House panel, the average per-day pay to personnel Blackwater hired was $600. According to the schedule of rates, supplies and services attached to the contract, Blackwater charged Regency $1,075 a day for senior managers, $945 a day for middle managers and $815 a day for operators.
    Any military personnel out there who would care to compare their per-day pay to this "efficient" private-contractor schedule?
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    • Author by mattcable250650 (August 05, 2010 5:09 pm ET)
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      As a 3rd Class Petty Officer (E-4, equivalent to an Army Corporal) back in 2000, I pulled in about $22,000 annually, which works out to around $61 per day or about 1/10th of what a Xe employee makes. Private contractors do not have many privileges that military personnel do, like official medals for bravery or free burials. If you were aboard a vessel, your food was free, but if you were at a shore command, you'd pay a small charge for meals.
      Yeah, I'd be very interested to see how ther charges were calculated.
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      • Author by magnolialover (August 06, 2010 8:15 am ET)
        Remember, that is what Blackwater charged, not necessarily what their employees received.
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  • Author by hashadenough (August 05, 2010 4:03 pm ET)
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    Gosh Glenn, I seem to remember the "founding fathers" that you so worship rather disliking a bunch of hired soldiers. Something about them mistreating colonial civilians and ransacking American property. Hessians, or something, I think they were called...
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    • Author by progressivevoicedaily (August 05, 2010 4:12 pm ET)
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      Imagine that, Glenda not knowing the facts or the history.
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  • Author by soze169880 (August 05, 2010 4:05 pm ET)
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    I guess this is how the right "supports the troops" now-- by wanting them to lose their jobs to a bunch of kill-crazy mercenaries.
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  • Author by raddave43 (August 05, 2010 4:08 pm ET)
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    Stossel says " You can't fire the government, but contractors compete." I guess he didn't hear about the no-bid contracts that these companies got and were continually renewed.

    Somehow I doubt that one Haliburton employee can do the job of three Government employee. When I was in Iraq there seemed to be about 2 or 3 Haliburton employee sitting on his arse while one was actually working.
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    • Author by nerzog (August 05, 2010 4:16 pm ET)
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      This might be a good time for everyone to watch Iraq for Sale. Among other things, it details how private contractors charged us $100 per load to do laundry, a duty which used to be performed by Armed Forces personnel.
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    • Author by raddave43 (August 05, 2010 5:14 pm ET)
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      I also forgot to mention that the Haliburton employees doing the manual labor were in fact people from countries like Pakistan and the Phillipines that were brought in to work cheaply.
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      • Author by magnolialover (August 06, 2010 8:16 am ET)
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        Which, Halliburton and others would charge huge rates, and then rake in huge profits by using super cheap labor. They're still doing it.
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  • Author by progressivevoicedaily (August 05, 2010 4:08 pm ET)
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    What happens when this "private war company" decides they don't like the fact that they didn't get the contract from some country?? Then they decide to act in their own interest and attack a country. These guys are out of their minds. These people and the way the think is very dangerous for this country, and humanity as a whole.
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  • Author by nerzog (August 05, 2010 4:13 pm ET)
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    The Troglodytes occasionally like to compare the United States to the Roman Empire, especially when it comes to things like Gay Rights. They'll try to argue that Rome fell because they all turned gay, or something like that.

    Of course, the fall of Rome was due to many overlapping, complex factors. One of these was their heavy dependance on mercenaries to defend their empire.

    I guess they don't teach that in Beck U. World History 101.
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  • Author by epkklk851 (August 05, 2010 4:13 pm ET)
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    I know something about government personnel and contractor practices. It isn't cheaper for the government to hire contractors, and that bit about onr Halliburton worker to three government workers probably doesn't include Halliburton's subcontractors and contractors get paid more than Federal employees and some of them have guaranteed profits, above their expenses. Look into the KBR mess last year, a local subcontractor's shoddy work led to the deaths of U.S. service members. The government spends huge sums on contracts and contract management, we can't put a man in the field without contractors to feed and shelter him. Another thing, those jobs don't have to go to Americans, they can go to foreign citizens. Federal Appropriated Funds jobs must hire U.S. citizens.
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  • Author by magnolialover (August 05, 2010 4:30 pm ET)
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    Mercenary outfits like Blackwater/Xe are freakin' dangerous to a well established democracy. Blackwater's "Army" is stronger and bigger, and better equipped than a lot of countries around the world.
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  • Author by progressiveright (August 05, 2010 4:36 pm ET)
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    The faulty dream and one of no loyalty.
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  • Author by mattcable250650 (August 05, 2010 5:23 pm ET)
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    The problem, which I believe Machiavelli noticed and that, of course, has not and never can be solved, is that mercenaries are all very fine and well when you need an impressive parade-ground force to overawe the other side with or when undertaking non-dangerous duties (As mercernaries have been doing for the past decade, taking on non-serious opponents in Third World countries), but when you have a Battle of the Bulge or Verdun 1916, when the enemy is attacking in great force and your guys are scrambling to hang on by their fingernails, mercenaries have absolutely no motivation to stick around. They'll suddenly decide they can get a better deal elsewhere at precisely the point when they're most desperately needed.
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  • Author by IRONY 101 (August 05, 2010 5:36 pm ET)
    Kapitalist Killers...yea, baby. ;>)
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  • Author by Tbone Slickens (3 hours and 56 minutes ago)
    Rolling Stone mag had an article on the then Blackwater in Sept '04. It was mainly about one of their operative Walt Weiss I think it was but at the end of the article they pointed out that when the USSD traveled out of the Green Zone it was Blackwater that they requested. I imagine nothing has changed much in that respect.

    Don't bite the hand too hard that protects you.

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